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If you are soley in the music retail business what measures would you take to stay profitable?
Sell MP3's and I'pod's,entertainment systems etc.
11%
 11% [ 1 ]
Build an extension in my store to include an internet cafe type setting.
44%
 44% [ 4 ]
Offer special services such as car stereo and home surround sound advice and instalations.
0%
 0% [ 0 ]
Sell music videos and other movies on DVD and Blu Ray.
0%
 0% [ 0 ]
All of the above.
44%
 44% [ 4 ]
Other methods.
0%
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PostSubject: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:40 pm

Ok lets be honest...

practices like this are and have been steadily coming to a rapid end at Indie and other traditional retail music stores like Cocunuts for the past decade with the late 90's introduction of these:





along with a combination of the "Power of the Internet" you can use these nifty little devices(MP3 and Ipod players) to download ipod tunes for sometimes only cents a track or even bootleg and illegally obtain music through service lik Forstwire(the new Napster).

No longer do music listeners and lovers have to worry about paying $20 dollars for a single album CD and keeping a disc holder or packet in the glove compartment of their cars in order to change music types when they want to hear something different.Now all changing artists,trask or genre means is flicking a button or menu touch screen and sifting through hundreds and maybe even thousands of downloaded music files that comprise single tracks that you downloaded off of the world wide web on a handheld,less than pocket sized device in a matter of seconds.

There is little doubt that this newest generation technology which has progessed over the years is good for the consumer but what about the businessman?Ofcourse initially whent he surge of Mp3/I-pod mania began it wasnt good and alot of music stores and chains which had been in business for decades went out of business in months.

However despite the many hardships music retailers have had to endure over the past 5 years especially,and overwhelming public and finanical analyst opinion that music stores as the world once knew them would soon cease to exist,somehow these pillars of American and world pop culture have managed to not only stay afloat in many cases but prosper even with the difficult economic times.

This is one of the many articles that I have been reading on this issue since I visited a freind in Hollywood ,USA last month who works here at Amoeba Music:



>about how this section of the music industry has somehow miraculously managed to survive the Global 21st century tech revolution and economy recession

http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/04/how-record-stores-can-survive-the-internet-age/39734/



quite the interesting issue to ponder eh?
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:40 pm

In the polls you put "sell music videos and dvd's" but alot of music stores like Coconuts haev long ago started doing that.Probably their greatest draw will be an internet cafe.Basically they better have something more than just music cd's lol.Its kind of like movie theatres.When I managed one 2 years ago I discovered that only a small portion like less than 5% of the profits made by theatres is made by ticket admission.......the film studio's get a huge portion of that and the rest is eaten alive by taxes.Most of the profit is made by the concession stand which is why they charge you like 10 bucks for a bag of M&M's which is why unless Im taking my girl out I rarely go to the movies.
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:26 pm

5-6 years ago I remember going to Tower Records,
probably twice a week and now all 5 stores have since
folded. Though, I agree with Roc (Internet Cafe), or
maybe doing what Borders, did (Merging with both
Starbucks and Jamba Juice). I mean, in the last 5 years
they went from 150 stores to 528 and thriving! Buuut,
what do I know, I'm just an Ironworker. Laughing

Note: I have no problems burning music for free! when
I have to pay $100.00+ for a concert ticket. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:29 pm

Rochester'sFinest! wrote:
When I managed one 2 years ago I discovered that only a small portion like less than 5% of the profits made by theatres is made by ticket admission.......the film studio's get a huge portion of that and the rest is eaten alive by taxes.Most of the profit is made by the concession stand which is why they charge you like 10 bucks for a bag of M&M's which is why unless Im taking my girl out I rarely go to the movies.

Theatres?
Man, tell me about it.
1 Adult
4 Kids
Legend of the Guardians
= $142.50
Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:03 am

|SaD|Justth3tip wrote:
Rochester'sFinest! wrote:
When I managed one 2 years ago I discovered that only a small portion like less than 5% of the profits made by theatres is made by ticket admission.......the film studio's get a huge portion of that and the rest is eaten alive by taxes.Most of the profit is made by the concession stand which is why they charge you like 10 bucks for a bag of M&M's which is why unless Im taking my girl out I rarely go to the movies.

Theatres?
Man, tell me about it.
1 Adult
4 Kids
Legend of the Guardians
= $142.50Crying or Very sad
Shocked

Good God!

Then when we leave tommorrow I guess I wont be going to the cinema in California lol.I hope you and Roch made that up because I really like popcorn with my movie No .

Yea Roch stick to fixing trains,your making me mad with all this over-information lol. lol! No more movie management jobs for you!
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:40 am

|SaD|Theottis wrote:
|SaD|Justth3tip wrote:
Rochester'sFinest! wrote:
When I managed one 2 years ago I discovered that only a small portion like less than 5% of the profits made by theatres is made by ticket admission.......the film studio's get a huge portion of that and the rest is eaten alive by taxes.Most of the profit is made by the concession stand which is why they charge you like 10 bucks for a bag of M&M's which is why unless Im taking my girl out I rarely go to the movies.

Theatres?
Man, tell me about it.
1 Adult
4 Kids
Legend of the Guardians
= $142.50Crying or Very sad
Shocked

Good God!

Then when we leave tommorrow I guess I wont be going to the cinema in California lol.I hope you and Roch made that up because I really like popcorn with my movie No .

Yea Roch stick to fixing trains,your making me mad with all this over-information lol. lol! No more movie management jobs for you!
Inflation my dear Watson! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:42 am

And yea,traditional specialty stores of all types not just music are becomign obsolete much like the cassete and VHS tapes became after laser reading discs and discs are swiftly becoming after MP3,Ipods and Black Berry's.

Things change with time.
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:08 pm

|SaD|Justth3tip wrote:
5-6 years ago I remember going to Tower Records,
probably twice a week and now all 5 stores have since
folded. Though, I agree with Roc (Internet Cafe), or
maybe doing what Borders, did (Merging with both
Starbucks and Jamba Juice). I mean, in the last 5 years
they went from 150 stores to 528 and thriving! Buuut,
what do I know, I'm just an Ironworker. Laughing

Note: I have no problems burning music for free! when
I have to pay $100.00+ for a concert ticket. Wink
O I totally agree Justt.Borders has a brilliant business model and one that has been copied by Barnes and Noble plus a few others.I mean you have to think about how obsolete book stores and libraries are nowdays.Infact the only reason libraries offer free internet service is to stay in business.

Borders is a wonderful place.When ever I do get the chance to go there fishing for a cheesy romance novel to pass the time inbetween shifts or classes I grab a hot mocha and sit by the window in a lounge chair and just relax.

They are very humble letting customers eat and drink while reading unpaid for merchandise because they know they have to present that strictless,open atmosphere to draw business(not to mention their lack of security) and thus far it has paid off,they continue to make sales and prosper year after year.

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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:12 pm

and indeed it is quite unfortunete what has become of Tower Records that used to be a great place to go and shop for music.I remember coming up,going on the weekends to the mall with my girlfreinds and we would shop with our walkman's on in Tower and FYE looking for the latest TLC,Brandy or Aaliyah cuts.

My mom always used to tell me how much she missed drive thru outdoor theatres lol.

I sometimes hate that things have to change,this is one of those times.
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:35 pm

Quote:
you can use these nifty little devices(MP3 and Ipod players) to download ipod tunes for sometimes only cents a track or even bootleg and illegally obtain music through service lik Forstwire(the new Napster).


Shiiit you dont even need limewirse or frostwire now cause real Player modified its burners to take on youtube video files so you can like go find a piece on youtube and download it on to the pod easy as fuck!
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:41 am

|SaD|Theottis wrote:
Shocked

Good God!

Then when we leave tommorrow I guess I wont be going to the cinema in California lol.I hope you and Roch made that up because I really like popcorn with my movie No .

Ohh, I was just kidding Bud, that's not the actual cost.
But, not far from it either. I mean, the admission alone
was almost $60.00 ($55.50/3D), $13.50 for me and $10.50
per child. I'd say I'd probably have spent another $35-$40
on food. So yeah, roughly $100.00, give or take.
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:08 am

|SaD|Lillian wrote:
O I totally agree Justt.Borders has a brilliant business model and one that has been copied by Barnes and Noble plus a few others.I mean you have to think about how obsolete book stores and libraries are nowdays.Infact the only reason libraries offer free internet service is to stay in business.

I blame gaming forums... Damn you |SaD|!!! lol!

|SaD|Lillian wrote:
Borders is a wonderful place.When ever I do get the chance to go there fishing for a cheesy romance novel to pass the time inbetween shifts or classes I grab a hot mocha and sit by the window in a lounge chair and just relax.

Absolutely! I was just there today
actually and bought a DIY Home
Improvement Manual. I've seen
several tutorials on Youtube, on
how to install hardwood floors. But,
I just wanted to make sure that they
weren't cutting any corners. Sooo, I
went ahead and purchased a Manual,
anyway.

Speaking! of Hot Mocha? Have you
tried their Pumpkin Spiced Latte, yet?
FORGET the calories! Lil', it's to DIE for
(Trust me!), and if it wasn't seasonal, I'd
literally kill for one right about now. Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:20 am

|SaD|Lillian wrote:
My mom always used to tell me how much she missed drive thru outdoor theatres lol.

I sometimes hate that things have to change,this is one of those times.

Me too! I remember going to Kam Drive-in,
almost every Sunday night, with family and
friends. I rememeber making Smores, by using
Sterno cans to melt Marshmallows. I rememeber
my older syblings would ALWAYS try to sneak
me and my youngest sister in by hiding us under
the pillows and blankets. As well as sneaking in
food from home, McDonalds, or KFC, because the
Consession Stand prices were just as hideous than,
as they are now. Rolling Eyes

But, I was 13 when Kam Drive-in, finally folded
and it's sad because even til this day I think of it
as the best setting for any family, to watch a movie
together. Hell, I remember going with like 4, 5, of
our neighbors and we'd all park next to each other
and just have a blast. Anyway, on its final airing I
remember almost getting my @$$ whooped from
my father,because I wanted to watch Godzilla (98').
Buuut, I really didn't feel like going back to school
the very next day with a pair of black eyes. Sooo, I
settled for Saving Private Ryan, instead! (Yeah... Like
I really had a choice in the matter eh?). Razz

Cali's, actually loaded still with quite a handful of
active Drive-in's. (Jealously, would undoubtedly be
an understatement here!). I haven't been to Skyline,
in almost 5 years. Hmm, I wonder what has changed
since......... Mischief??? Naaah, I'm quite certain that
definitely haven't skipped a beat (All the cars parked
WAY in the back). Suspect Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:45 pm

|SaD|Justth3tip wrote:
Speaking! of Hot Mocha? Have you
tried their Pumpkin Spiced Latte, yet?
FORGET the calories! Lil', it's to DIE for
(Trust me!), and if it wasn't seasonal, I'd
literally kill for one right about now. Laughing
Hmm?no I havent but it sounds scrumptuous, alien perhaps I will remember to the next time,thx.
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PostSubject: Re: In the Internet Age:How can Music/Record Stores survive?   Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:16 pm

|SaD|Justth3tip wrote:
|SaD|Lillian wrote:
My mom always used to tell me how much she missed drive thru outdoor theatres lol.

I sometimes hate that things have to change,this is one of those times.

Me too! I remember going to Kam Drive-in,
almost every Sunday night, with family and
friends. I rememeber making Smores, by using
Sterno cans to melt Marshmallows. I rememeber
my older syblings would ALWAYS try to sneak
me and my youngest sister in by hiding us under
the pillows and blankets. As well as sneaking in
food from home, McDonalds, or KFC, because the
Consession Stand prices were just as hideous than,
as they are now. Rolling Eyes

But, I was 13 when Kam Drive-in, finally folded
and it's sad because even til this day I think of it
as the best setting for any family, to watch a movie
together. Hell, I remember going with like 4, 5, of
our neighbors and we'd all park next to each other
and just have a blast. Anyway, on its final airing I
remember almost getting my @$$ whooped from


my father,because I wanted to watch Godzilla (98').
Buuut, I really didn't feel like going back to school
the very next day with a pair of black eyes. Sooo, I
settled for Saving Private Ryan, instead! (Yeah... Like
I really had a choice in the matter eh?). Razz

Cali's, actually loaded still with quite a handful of
active Drive-in's. (Jealously, would undoubtedly be
an understatement here!). I haven't been to Skyline,
in almost 5 years. Hmm, I wonder what has changed
since......... Mischief??? Naaah, I'm quite certain that
definitely haven't skipped a beat (All the cars parked
WAY in the back). Suspect Laughing
You say that California still has a few?Where?I would really love to go to one as I have NEVER even as a young kid growing up in Reno and Phoenix,been to one.I've seen them in movies and this documentary about them before and it seemed like such a cool concept.I honestly dont understand why or even how they folded and went away.

I havent searched for any,but it would be nice to find one close to here somewhere.

Check out this documentary I watched about a year back about the history of Drive in movies.I now understand that they were really an important pillar that helped define that begginning era that we now know as pop culture.











Amazing after watching this I missed something I never had lol. Crying or Very sad
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